I've been glorifying God/Christ. But you are to full of yourself to see it.
Deputy Dog
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What say you Christians ???
by wobble init seems to me that most, if not all christians are really hung up on sin and redemption from sin and how naturally evil we all are.. my question, and observation is this : i had nothing to do with whatever you say adam and eve did wrong, i have always, throughout my life, treated whoever i came into contact with compassion, respect and love.. i have lived by the golden rule.. not many people, hand on heart, can say that, i can.. so, is your god going to judge me for the "sin" of some mythical forebears of mine ?
is he going to say that , because i did not believe in him, i willl be judged adversely, even though i lived by the precepts he is supposed to support ?.
all i can say is, if your god is like that, i refuse to worship or acknowledge him.. and i certainly do not want to get to know him.
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What say you Christians ???
by wobble init seems to me that most, if not all christians are really hung up on sin and redemption from sin and how naturally evil we all are.. my question, and observation is this : i had nothing to do with whatever you say adam and eve did wrong, i have always, throughout my life, treated whoever i came into contact with compassion, respect and love.. i have lived by the golden rule.. not many people, hand on heart, can say that, i can.. so, is your god going to judge me for the "sin" of some mythical forebears of mine ?
is he going to say that , because i did not believe in him, i willl be judged adversely, even though i lived by the precepts he is supposed to support ?.
all i can say is, if your god is like that, i refuse to worship or acknowledge him.. and i certainly do not want to get to know him.
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Deputy Dog
godrulz
dog, your view cannot explain why God arbitrarily saves some, but damns many others that He could save if He would only will it.
That really bugs you, doesn't it? God doesn't run the universe the way YOU want him to. I don't need to explain why he does what he does, neither does God. Who said that it's arbitrary? It doesn't matter what man wants or wills. God can have mercy and compassion on anyone he wishes. If God wanted to save every person in the world I'm sure he could easily do it.
It limits God's provision and love to an elite elect. It is contradicted by many verses that show that God wants all to be saved, commands all to repent/believe, etc.
Actually it explains how he saves everyone HE wants to save. John 17:12
You did not answer my Christological question, so this peripheral debate is a waste of time at the moment (and moot, non-salvific compared to the Deity of Christ).
It was sure wasted on you! I'll let you get back to running/ruling your part of the universe.
One more thing, if you want answers from people, you can start by not talking down to them.
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What say you Christians ???
by wobble init seems to me that most, if not all christians are really hung up on sin and redemption from sin and how naturally evil we all are.. my question, and observation is this : i had nothing to do with whatever you say adam and eve did wrong, i have always, throughout my life, treated whoever i came into contact with compassion, respect and love.. i have lived by the golden rule.. not many people, hand on heart, can say that, i can.. so, is your god going to judge me for the "sin" of some mythical forebears of mine ?
is he going to say that , because i did not believe in him, i willl be judged adversely, even though i lived by the precepts he is supposed to support ?.
all i can say is, if your god is like that, i refuse to worship or acknowledge him.. and i certainly do not want to get to know him.
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designs
Feed the hungry, plant a tree, care for the earth.......that's my life's creed and I'm sticking with it.
You forgot one, you left out, making fun of everyone you disagree with. That seems to be at the top of your list.
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What say you Christians ???
by wobble init seems to me that most, if not all christians are really hung up on sin and redemption from sin and how naturally evil we all are.. my question, and observation is this : i had nothing to do with whatever you say adam and eve did wrong, i have always, throughout my life, treated whoever i came into contact with compassion, respect and love.. i have lived by the golden rule.. not many people, hand on heart, can say that, i can.. so, is your god going to judge me for the "sin" of some mythical forebears of mine ?
is he going to say that , because i did not believe in him, i willl be judged adversely, even though i lived by the precepts he is supposed to support ?.
all i can say is, if your god is like that, i refuse to worship or acknowledge him.. and i certainly do not want to get to know him.
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designs
Christians..........guided by the singular influence of the Holy Spirit all speak in agreement Ha!
You would prefer uniformity, as a sign? You'd like that wouldn't you? Go back to your JW cult. A Christian is saved by God/Christ, not his church's teachings or church attendance.
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What say you Christians ???
by wobble init seems to me that most, if not all christians are really hung up on sin and redemption from sin and how naturally evil we all are.. my question, and observation is this : i had nothing to do with whatever you say adam and eve did wrong, i have always, throughout my life, treated whoever i came into contact with compassion, respect and love.. i have lived by the golden rule.. not many people, hand on heart, can say that, i can.. so, is your god going to judge me for the "sin" of some mythical forebears of mine ?
is he going to say that , because i did not believe in him, i willl be judged adversely, even though i lived by the precepts he is supposed to support ?.
all i can say is, if your god is like that, i refuse to worship or acknowledge him.. and i certainly do not want to get to know him.
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Deputy Dog
godrulz
His grace and righteousness alone is the basis for my salvation.
That's not what you said earlier, you said;
"...destinies were settled by actual choices,"
"...but destinies are settled by choices during actual lifetimes,"
That is unless of course you're a baby, then you are saved by your age, according to YOU that is.
The Calvinistic mistake is to think that responsive faith (to the conviction/convincing of the Spirit vs causation/coercion) is a work.
You should go back to school and rethink your ideas, that's not a "Calvinistic" mistake. All the Christians I know including "Calvinists", believe faith is a gift, not a work (see Eph2:8).
Go ahead, draw comfort by your boasting, in your actual choice. I'm sure your "actual righteous choice" will place you in the honored place in heaven.
I'll draw comfort in God's choice, his grace and Christ's righteousness.
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What say you Christians ???
by wobble init seems to me that most, if not all christians are really hung up on sin and redemption from sin and how naturally evil we all are.. my question, and observation is this : i had nothing to do with whatever you say adam and eve did wrong, i have always, throughout my life, treated whoever i came into contact with compassion, respect and love.. i have lived by the golden rule.. not many people, hand on heart, can say that, i can.. so, is your god going to judge me for the "sin" of some mythical forebears of mine ?
is he going to say that , because i did not believe in him, i willl be judged adversely, even though i lived by the precepts he is supposed to support ?.
all i can say is, if your god is like that, i refuse to worship or acknowledge him.. and i certainly do not want to get to know him.
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godrulz
My point is that Calvinism is not biblical despite their claims to be so.
So says the man that, can tell God what God's rights are. So says the man that, tells God what God meant to say.
edited to add:
Dog, are you Calvinistic or not?
Don't worry about me, I'll be OK. When I stand before God, I'll be relying totally on Christ's righteousness and none of my own.
You on the other hand have your own righteous choice to impress God with. Be sure to tell him how wonderful you are, that you made such a choice and how you are so much better than those who didn't. I'm sure you'll be promoted to a much higher place in heaven, because of your righteous choice.
I'll probably just barely make it (smelling of smoke), with only the righteousness of Christ.
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What say you Christians ???
by wobble init seems to me that most, if not all christians are really hung up on sin and redemption from sin and how naturally evil we all are.. my question, and observation is this : i had nothing to do with whatever you say adam and eve did wrong, i have always, throughout my life, treated whoever i came into contact with compassion, respect and love.. i have lived by the golden rule.. not many people, hand on heart, can say that, i can.. so, is your god going to judge me for the "sin" of some mythical forebears of mine ?
is he going to say that , because i did not believe in him, i willl be judged adversely, even though i lived by the precepts he is supposed to support ?.
all i can say is, if your god is like that, i refuse to worship or acknowledge him.. and i certainly do not want to get to know him.
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Deputy Dog
godrulz
If their destinies were settled by actual choices,
What is so special about you that you made the right choice?
What you are implying, is that God choose you because you have righteousness (righteous choice) of your own.
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What say you Christians ???
by wobble init seems to me that most, if not all christians are really hung up on sin and redemption from sin and how naturally evil we all are.. my question, and observation is this : i had nothing to do with whatever you say adam and eve did wrong, i have always, throughout my life, treated whoever i came into contact with compassion, respect and love.. i have lived by the golden rule.. not many people, hand on heart, can say that, i can.. so, is your god going to judge me for the "sin" of some mythical forebears of mine ?
is he going to say that , because i did not believe in him, i willl be judged adversely, even though i lived by the precepts he is supposed to support ?.
all i can say is, if your god is like that, i refuse to worship or acknowledge him.. and i certainly do not want to get to know him.
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Deputy Dog
godrulz
Dog, are you Calvinistic or not?
I'm biblical.
Their eternal destinies were settled based on their later life choices.
What makes your life choices so righteous? Looks like you'll have something to boast about in heaven.
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What say you Christians ???
by wobble init seems to me that most, if not all christians are really hung up on sin and redemption from sin and how naturally evil we all are.. my question, and observation is this : i had nothing to do with whatever you say adam and eve did wrong, i have always, throughout my life, treated whoever i came into contact with compassion, respect and love.. i have lived by the golden rule.. not many people, hand on heart, can say that, i can.. so, is your god going to judge me for the "sin" of some mythical forebears of mine ?
is he going to say that , because i did not believe in him, i willl be judged adversely, even though i lived by the precepts he is supposed to support ?.
all i can say is, if your god is like that, i refuse to worship or acknowledge him.. and i certainly do not want to get to know him.
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godrulz
Regardless, how does this relate to JW stuff? It is unlikely that the average JW knows more than proof texts out of context vs biblical theology that goes verse by verse through a book (I have seen their commentaries on Revelation and they are pathetic, not exegetical).
Wow! you think you have me all figured out, don't you? Let me put your little self-righteous mind at ease. I've never been a JW.
Don't underestimate the preconceived bias you bring to the text...
It is you who brings your self-righteous bias to the text. You are so righteous that you can judge God and his word. You approach Romans 9 with a judgment of God and the text before you read it.
John 1:12
But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, 13who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
Romans 9:16
So then it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy.
Can you see the similarity?
Jesus says belief is the work of God:
John 6:29 Jesus answered and said to them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent."
Are you more righteous than Jesus?
He also says that "ALL that the Father gives Me will come to Me" not just some.
John 6:37
"All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out."
John 6:44
"No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day.
Look at how many judged Jesus as a result of his words about sovereign grace, just as you seem to do.
John 6:64
"But there are some of you who do not believe." For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who it was that would betray Him. 65 And He was saying, "For this reason I have said to you, that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted him from the Father." 66 As a result of this many of His disciples withdrew and were not walking with Him anymore.
You say:
Your view would impugn the character and ways of God.
It is you who do that my friend, when you call his election unjust.
Your ways are not his ways, your thoughts are not his thoughts...
"He who is of God hears the words of God; for this reason you do not hear them, because you are not of God."John 8:47
"He who is of God hears the words of God; for this reason you do not hear them, because you are not of God."
Why did Jesus say that some are not of God?
John 8:43
"Why do you not understand what I am saying?It is because you cannot hear My word. 44"You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
Joh 10:25
Jesus answered them, "I told you, and you do not believe; the works that I do in My Father's name, these testify of Me. 26"But you do not believe because you are not of My sheep. 27"My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; 28and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. 29"My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand.
These are just a few of many many more, where Jesus make it clear that not everyone is called by God or able to respond.
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What say you Christians ???
by wobble init seems to me that most, if not all christians are really hung up on sin and redemption from sin and how naturally evil we all are.. my question, and observation is this : i had nothing to do with whatever you say adam and eve did wrong, i have always, throughout my life, treated whoever i came into contact with compassion, respect and love.. i have lived by the golden rule.. not many people, hand on heart, can say that, i can.. so, is your god going to judge me for the "sin" of some mythical forebears of mine ?
is he going to say that , because i did not believe in him, i willl be judged adversely, even though i lived by the precepts he is supposed to support ?.
all i can say is, if your god is like that, i refuse to worship or acknowledge him.. and i certainly do not want to get to know him.
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Deputy Dog
godrulz
Your view would impugn the character and ways of God.
Who are you O man to tell God what rights he has and doesn't have? You are the one judging God, not me. I only read his word, I do not judge it. it judges me.
God has a right to pick Israel over other nations, but He does not have a right to play eenie meenie minnie mo with individual heaven/hell destinies of any given Jew or Gentile
I'm not the one telling God what rights he has or doesn't have.
If you can read simple Engish you can clearly see the context of Romans 9, it is in verses 23 through 25 and is about the church, which is chosen from all nations.
Rom 9:15
For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion." 16 So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, "For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth." 18 So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills. 19 You will say to me then, "Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?" 20 But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, "Why have you made me like this?" 21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? 22 What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory-- 24 even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles? 25 As indeed he says in Hosea, "Those who were not my people I will call 'my people,' and her who was not beloved I will call 'beloved.'" 26 "And in the very place where it was said to them, 'You are not my people,' there they will be called 'sons of the living God.'"